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The Stardust Brothers

Bobby thinks the new album 'Vanishing Point' is 'a punk rock album for 1997' while Mani reckons it's got 'soundtracks to life'. Wahey! The Primals are back - and oh how we've missed them...

"This is a testament to funk, to funksterators, tricknologists, mujicians, who got music burrnng in their brains and no holes in their souls." -Dr. John:"Under A HooDooMoon" (St. Martin Press)

Invisible Man: Michael Bonner
Starstuck: Stephen Sweet

The last thing Bobby Gillespie says in to my tape recorder, leaning across a table to do so, his heavy black fringe almost brushing the microphone in front of him, is delivered slowly carefully and with relish. "It's like Phil Spector said: 'You can always come back, but you've got to come back stronger,' "and then he flashes a big, fat, happy Cheshire Cat smile which threatens to engulf his face and says everything about how he feels about the new look Primal Scream, the prospect of their upcoming live dates, and most importantly of all, their amazing and uncompromising new album, "Vanishing Point".

SITTING in the canteen of a south London rehearsal studios,where the Scream are putting the final touches to their live set, Bobby's been smiling like a trooper for most of the afternoon. Not entirely without good reason,too. Many people seemed prepared to write the Scream off after their last album, "Give Out ButDon'tGive Up", presuming that the band who never baulked at excess had finally lost the plot somewhere in Memphis. But in a laudable (and typically Scream-like) gesture of defiance, they've staged one ofthe most audacious and spectacular comebacks of recent memory. Notonly have they recruited Mani from the Stone Roses (uniting two of the most significant British bands of the last 10 years in the process, something akin to Robbie Fowler signing to Man Utd) but "Vanishing Point" is a great album: a complex, mature work that's every bit as extraordinary, way out and visionary as "Screamadelica". "Vanishing Point" redefines the band's parameters, giving them an edge and a hunger that none of their other albums from "Sonic Flower Groove" to "Give Out But Don't Give Up" ever had. It's restless, alive and driven, continuously striving to push styles and genres to their limits, putting square pegs into round holes,f***ing around with everything from psychedelia to punk and dub to funk. lt's the sound of a band whole-heartedly embracing the limitless potential of music.
It opens with the Syd Barrett-era Pink Floyd psychedelia of"Burning Wheel", Bobby's voice drifting through a haze of backwards drum loops and reverb-heavy guitars, everything swathed in layers of lush sound effects. This segues into "Get Duffy" -a sleazy, nocturnal instrumental, the soundtrack to driving home in the small hours watching dawn slowly etch its way across the sky. The speed-fuelled insanity of "Kowalski" and the exquisite "Star" follow, and the chunky breakbeat funk of "If They Move, Kill 'Em", littered with Quincy Jones-style flutes, wah-wah guitars and a brass section ripped screaming from "The Streets Of San Francisco" sends your head spinning. After that, "Out Of The Void", coccooned by a shifting fog of tablas, sitars and three-note Hammond riffs, leads ontothe unremittingly bleak "Stuka"-far and away the most outrageous five minutes the Primals have ever committed to vinyl, setting deep, old-school dub rhythms reminiscent of Augustus Pablo's "King Tubby Meets The Rockers Uptown" against Bobby's Vocador distorted vocals. It's cold and alien; a menace, madness, totally out of control. Then they give us "Medication", a Stones clone cut from the same cloth as "Rocks", and a deranged cover of "Motorhead", with Bobby singing through a Darth Vader helmet over an apocalyptic backing ofdistorted guitars. As Mani proudly points out: "No two songs are the same. There's some proper soundtracksto life on this album." "We wanted to make a great album," says Bobby frankly. "We had a lot ideas and a lot of energy. We really enjoyed making 'Vanishing Point'. We went to the studio every day and just experimented with sounds and ideas. There was such a joy there, that's why it sounds so alive. It's bursting. We've got a lot of music inside us. There's intensity of focus, too- musically, Iyrically attitude wise, everything. The cIarity of thought is incredible on this album."

'VANISHING Point" succeeds in capturing the moment just as effectiveness "Screamadelica" did, but while the beatific grooves of "Sceamadelica" reflected the blissed-out hedonism of post-Acid House ecstacy culture, "Vanishing Point' is indicative of life on the brink of the next Millennium: strung-out, paranoid and existential.

"When we first formed the band, one of our favourite albums was PiLs 'Metal Box'," says Bobby- "I think the songs on 'Vanishing Point' are about life in Britain at the end of the Nineties in much the sameway as 'Metal Box' caught the mood ofthe country at the end ofthe Seventies that damp, dark, alienated feeling, y'know? But 'Vanishing Point' is more internal, more psychological than 'Metal Box' was."

Certainly parts of "Vanishing Point" sound like particularly brutal catharsis. "Through my bleeding eyes, I'm filthy, fly/Scrawl with insects," ("BurningWheel"), "I can't slip my skin/I'm full of dust/I'm chemically imbalanced/I am cancer," ("Out OfThe Void") and "I got jesus in my head like a stinger/He moves from tree to tree/In the back of my mind/A ragged shadowy figure!/I got Him/I got Original Sin," ("Stuka"}. This is the stark comedown from the euphoria of "Screamadelica"; the wide-eyed optimism replaced by a darker purpose, a soul-searching' soul cleansing operation designed to exorcise whatever shit the Scream have accumulated over the last five years -a period which Bobby refers to simply as "dark times".

"I've always had it in me to write lyrics like this." he says. They're dark, but true. I've always wanted to write really direct lyrics-no metaphors, just open and honest cos that's the kind of lyric I like in other people's songs. I mean, I really admire Tricky. That's a f***ing great record, man. It's a f***ing modern-day blues album. He's an exceptional songwriter: the atmosphere he creates, the starkness of thewords. I listen to that album and can understand it because he's hiding nothing from me. It's totally real." The lyrics on "Vanishing Point" are a world away from the generic rock vocabulary of "Give Out...".

"Aye, because then I wasn't(?) writing about me. We recorded that whole album badly. We weren't very focused at the time. There's that track 'Jesus' on the B-side of 'Star'-'GiveOut. . 'should have sounded like that: really downbeat and late night, like the third Velvets album. "I think we were a bit confused after 'Screamadelica'. We got a bit burned out in every kinda way. We became too one-dimensional in our approach, and that's why 'Give Out. . .' is a very one-dimensional record. We never planned to make a conventional rock record, it just happened that way. The music felt the right musicto play at the time, but I don't think we executed it very well. You know 'Stone my Soul' on 'Dixie Narco', right? If we'd done an album as strung-out as that it would have been perfect."

"VANISHING Point" is a fiercely intransigent album. There's references to Richard Sarafian's road movie which lends the album its title, and to Sam Peckinpah's classic western "The Wild Bunch" ("IfThey Move, Kill 'Em" is the film's opening line), both of which aretypical Scream influences: the speed-addled car rental driver Kowalski in "Vanishing Point" and the vicious outlaws from "The Wild Bunch are romantic outsider figures. Driven by obsession, honouring a personal moral code resolutely refusing to do anything unless its on their own terms.

"At the start of the year we said we were going to put the Wild Bunch back together for one last job," cackles Bobby. I love people like Peckinpah, my man James Coburn and Warren Oates are real maverick talents, totally uncompromising."

'Vanishing Point" is uncompromising.

"Completely agrees Mani, puffing cheerily on a cigarette. "You don't have to compromise in this game. If you do, you're prostituting yourself: you're doing it for other people and not yourself. You've got no self-respert in that case. l've always tried hard to be uncompromising, to do the unexpected."

As your first proper single in three years, "Kowalski" was a total statement of intent. It's a complete "f*** you". "It sounds like a junkyard having a nervous breakdown," announces Bobby. "It's punk rock, that's what it is. 'Vanishing Point' is a punk rock album for 1997 in terms of its attitude and emotional directness. We've just done this track with Jaki Liebezeit from Can on drums, Mani on bass and Kevin Shieldsfrom the Valentines on guitar, and it's f***ing amazing, man. We just want to keep on going like this, pushing ourselves as far as we can in terms ofexperimenting. We're not f***ing scared ofanything now." "I wish people would be more dangerous, take more chances," sighs Mani. "Take something and spin it round on its head, right? Still it's easier to play the game safely and getwell-paid for it, eh? But that's not me, pal. Nor my buddies here."

"The reason you form a band in the first place is to create your own world with your own rules where you're not under anyone else's law," says Bobby shaking his head. "What's the point of forming a band if you're prepared to be dictated by managers or a record company? Too many people are content to take the money and be part of the industry, but they're bands with no f***ing imagination, no experimentation, no sense of the avant garde. No F***ing Creativity. But I don't pay a lot of attention to that scene. It's not part of my world. I don't care what other people do. We're not in competition with anybody, wejust want to make Primal Scream music. Nothing else has any relevance."

Bobby is eventually called down to the studio leaving Mani in the chair. Away from the formidable shadows cast by Ian Brown and John Squire, Mani's come into his own as a genuine character the kind of man who'd have you pissing yourself with laughter at your own mum's funeral.
You seem very happy at the moment Mani.

"Happy as Larry, my friend," he beams through a cloud of cigarette smoke. All roads have been leading to this. 10 years of sweating it out with the other band have pointed to this."

You made your debut with the Scream the other week on "Later With Jools Holland". No disrespect to the others, but you walked away with it.

"I was born to have it, and have it I shall," he chuckles. "I enjoyed my time with John, Ian and Reni - I got a good education from those boys. Itwas a f**ing pleasure and I have total respect for them. It was a great lO years. I don't think i ever got any recognition in the Roses, but I was happy to take a back seat. But now I'm with these boys and I'm having it. I totally enjoyed playing 'Later'. It was the flrst time I've enjoyed playing live for quite a few years as well. Nearly everytime we tried something live with the Roses, shit happened. Let me tell you, I've been bad many times before. Some nights, you're awful -y'know, you can't summon up the energy to pull it off. F***, the Roses were lame sometimes," he pauses to light another cigarette. "Butthen again, we could also be totally mind-blowingly awesome," he says with a smirk as Bobby returns to the table.

So. Bob, what's your favorite Roses track?

"Love Spreads'. I think it's one of the greatest comeback records ever. People waited five years,and they come back with that. The first thing you hear from them after all that time is this huge fat dirty guitar riff. It's an incredible record, man. Alot of people didn't like it because it wasn't what they expected them to do. If they'd brought out another 'Made of Stone' it would have gone in at Number One. But they didnt, and I loved them for doing that. They tried to take it further, but I think most people wanted more of the same, more of the first album. But they wanted to take chances and 'Love Spreads' is a F**ing great comeback. It's Iike Elvis in '68."

Mani, whats your favourite Primal Scream track?

"I've always had a soft spot for 'Jailbird'," he says not missing a beat. "It reminds me od playing snooker."

LATER, the three of us are sitting around talking about Stanley Booth's exceptional account of The Stones near descent into madness, "The True Adventures Of The Rolling Stones", and the Scream's forthcoming tour ("Eight-piece band. Horn section. Adrian Sherwood at the controls playing psychedelic dub. Mani on bass. It's going to be funkier than a mosquito's tweeter," beams Bobby) when Andrew Innes, Scream guitarist currently in charge of putting the band through their paces, comesto take Bob and Mani downstairs. The rehearsal room is the size of a large living room . Frankly, it's seen better days. The walls are chipped, great chunks of stone visible through navy blue paintwork, and naked strip lights hang precariously from the roof, illuminating banks of equipment, instruments and ampswhich haphazardly litter the floor. There's no direct inlet for fresh air no windows, and the air is musty with several years' accumulated cigarette smoke. The Scream have been holed up here for a little over two weeks, their line-up consisting of Bob and Mani, guitarists Innes and Throb (absent today), Martin Duffy on keyboards, new drummer Paul Mulreany, trumpet player Duncan Mackay, and saxophonist Jim Hunt. The relationship among the band is relaxed, intimate, almost fraternal. Everyone is happy to be here, eager to work.

They start to play "Burning Wheel". Bobby, a concave figure, eyes nearly closed, hanging bent over the mic stand, lost in Innes' guitar lines; Mani, strutting up and down in front of his amp, a straycat playing meaty dub-punk basslines; Innes, resting his guitar against his thigh, ripping it up and down like a gunfighter, drawing faster and faster, over and over. They play five othertracks -"Kowalski", "If They Move, Kill' Em", "Get Duffy", "Out Of The Void" and "Star". This is the moment Bob has been waiting 10 years for. "Innes has whipped us into shape," admits Bob cheerfully. "Oh, yes, I'm really looking forward to this," says Mani, rubbing his hands together. "I cannot f***ing wait to play live properly with this lot." And then,singing in a soft, high voice, his eyes glinting mischievously. "We're going to blow your f***ing socks off" And then he begins to laugh, loud and heartily.

"VANISHING Point". Primal Scream music. Nothing else soundsquite like it. Turn it up.

Originally appeared in Melody Maker, 12 July 1997.
Copyright © Melody Maker.

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